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What is up with all of the pissy people on fps? what is so sacred about making a noobish (simple) map, and then if someone with some ideas comes around and plays with your map a little bit. doesnt submit it, but PM's the author saying hey, i was just wondering if you like what ive done? or can you use this in any way? its not like im trying to steal your work, i would never put MY name down as the creditor of the work. mearly that i had an idea and i wanted to run with it... but people got to get so angry, calling names, threatening. goddamn children, cant we all just become better at mapping through group effort and combined creativity?

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    Welcome to FPSB, we got fun and games...teasing the shit outta each other. It's pretty inevitable, with all the teenagers around. =/
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    I wonder who you are talking about...

    I never gave you permission.
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    I never asked,

    and that is all you have to say?
    what about becomeing better mappers with combined creativity?
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    Posted by Greyfrog_Design

    I never asked,

    That's the point.
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    The point seems to be the stick shoved up your *(&

    i was never meaning to offend, which brings me back to the first comment
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    this is what i have so far


    Yes, you gave me a lot of credit.
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    Guys, seriously. Ask permission first, it could have all been avoided. That happened to me earlier on this site, except AFTER I said no, it happened anyway. Just ask and respect the answer and all will be well in the FPSB universe.
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    Posted by StaG

    Guys, seriously. Ask permission first, it could have all been avoided. That happened to me earlier on this site, except AFTER I said no, it happened anyway. Just ask and respect the answer and all will be well in the FPSB universe.

    QFT. This is what I was trying to say.
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    Seriously acetone, i realy loved your mapstyle. the light_environment was cool. your flow was awesome. it reminded me of a quake map, just less curvy. i wanted to see if i could make it intertwine a bit more, go up, and out, and down. your skybox was also inspiring to me, so i wanted to try opening up the walls and floors by adding glass floors(non-breakable) like a window in the floor. i eliminated your 2 lights, (i know this is a beta map) and placed my favorite light prop w/ glow effects. all of the extras i did add were also func_detail. as to keep your frates up. they were killer high so, why screw with a good thing.

    again i never ment to offend, i have this vision of mapping and it always involves other mappers, i love talking to other talented people, most of whom have never taken any schooling so it makes them even more outstanding to me. hashing out ideas, creating works of art. you can take anything from my maps i care not. insparation is an evolution. someone has to 1 up you, always.
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    ... You didn't ask for permission, end of discussion.

    You are the one with no concept of ownership.
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    Posted by Mr Blue

    ... You didn't ask for permission, end of discussion.

    You are the one with no concept of ownership.


    You think you own this stuff? hahahahahhahaha
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    You still need permission.
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    Again i never ment to offend, i have this vision of mapping and it always involves other mappers, i love talking to other talented people, most of whom have never taken any schooling so it makes them even more outstanding to me. hashing out ideas, creating works of art. you can take anything from my maps i care not. insparation is an evolution. someone has to 1 up you, always.

    your the ass, learn to read, absorb.
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    Posted by acet0ne

    this is what i have so far


    Yes, you gave me a lot of credit.


    people this thread is now dead
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    Yeah this place is a real douchebag society. Read: cesspit.
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    Shut the fuck up you fucking little kid !!! You think making a map is easy ?!?!?!
    Learn to make a map and then enjoy it !
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    Flaming everyone isnt going to get you anywhere.
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    If you copy work and dont ask for permission you are just STEALING. and we dont like it. end of discussion
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    Greyfrog, as you might notice, not alot of people agree with you here... I don't either. It would be polite to atleast ask the guy to see if he minds his work being edited. It doesn't take any effort to ask, and it's just common curtesy.
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    Posted by Blood-Money

    Shut the fuck up you fucking little kid !!! You think making a map is easy ?!?!?!
    Learn to make a map and then enjoy it !


    Wow, someone needs to take a Valium. Ive been paying taxes since you were a sperm. Ive got lots of map submissions. I know how long, hard and how much effort they suck up. Still i say, this is all FREE content. Why would i give a 'f' if someone took my FREE map and edited it to make an UBER map? I wouldn't. I don't OWN anything on this sight, yes it has my author credits on it, and if my author credits are not on the next release, i will surly be disapproving it. speaking with a moderator and stirring up some stink.

    Has anyone here ever hear of The Velvet Revolver? or Audioslave? or Wolfmother?

    they hove one thing in common, they are members of previous great bands coming together to make amazing bands. The point is not to flame, it is to try and figure out why noone will work 'with' anyone. your all so stuck. And i don't understand it.
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    You would have been much smarter to have just let this die in the background of FPSB. Making a thread dedicated to it was a mistake, making yourself look childish and embarassing yourself.

    Please, do not complain about other people, especially when YOU are in the wrong, not him.
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    Lol, it is so funny, you guys com into a thread that was dead for almost a week. its like coming it a conversation half way and thinking you really know what had happened... lol i don't really mind if you 5 don't like me... it IS the internet. lmao at you fooz'
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    Heres the end point here, you stole without permission. That was your error, Today I had someone out of the blue ask for some of my map vmf files, and since he asked politly and nicly I have them to him. That is how the system works, you do not do underhanded things like decompile someone elses WIP and then make it your own/modify it. It is there map, if you have suggestions as to fixing things then TELL THEM, not take it and do it yourself like you are the only one who knows what can possibly be correct.

    You don't go around spraypainting peoples cars because you don't like their colors do you? then don't steal maps without permission.
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    Its not that we don't like you, well myself at least, its just you're not only coming off as childish, you're also trying to turn this thread around and blame us for bumping it? Come on man, seriously. Next time, at least think of what people will say ahead of time.
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    Posted by Greyfrog_Design

    they hove one thing in common, they are members of previous great bands coming together to make amazing bands. The point is not to flame, it is to try and figure out why noone will work 'with' anyone. your all so stuck. And i don't understand it.

    Yes, but the thing is, that I would have to believe that those people agreed to work together. One of them didn't just appear and inform them that they were going to do so, whether they liked it or not.
    We aren't refusing to work together with other people, we are refusing to work with people without even being confronted with the concept.
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    W/e your all not in the know. i did not publish this said map, i did talk with him. and when he rejected i stopped all efforts. i did not steal a damn thing. i do respect the mans work, and the man. 'halfway into the conversation' is what all of you are.
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    Posted by Greyfrog_Design

    W/e your all not in the know. i did not publish this said map, i did talk with him. and when he rejected i stopped all efforts. i did not steal a damn thing. i do respect the mans work, and the man. 'halfway into the conversation' is what all of you are.


    Then why did you neglect to explain the whole story? Why did you make it seem as though he was the bad guy, and you were the little victim? And then you have the ghall to complain on the forums over a little whiny debate over a map? Come on, if you're as old as you say you are, act like it.
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    Posted by Greyfrog_Design

    W/e your all not in the know. i did not publish this said map, i did talk with him. and when he rejected i stopped all efforts. i did not steal a damn thing. i do respect the mans work, and the man. 'halfway into the conversation' is what all of you are.

    And because you stopped all work on it, it didn't become a bigger deal. You yourself brought the question of "fixing" someone's work without asking them and the morals behind it to the table, not us.

    And insults... Are those really necessary or do they prove a point to either direction? No. (I'm talking to everyone who used them in this thread)
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    Im not being a victim, i am a respectable mapper with good intentions. i haven't called anyone anything cept an #%^ as far as i can see... I dont condone stealing of maps or credit. as far as 'my maps are concerned, i dont own any of the content just the credits to it as the author. edit away my peasants edit away. no PERMISSION needed for unowned content.
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    Umm... I'd hate to bring this back, but I'm just wondering.

    I always thought that basically all creative content is copyrighted to the author by default, even if they do not state it everywhere.

    This is from the US Copyright Office website FAQ...
    When is my work protected?
    Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

    So, the way I understand it is that peoples' works are copyrighted... Or is there something I'm not noticing here.
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    Sorry, doesn't work, he's from Canada.
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    That still doesnt mean he can take someones work and change it without asking them.
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    It would be nice to be asked for permission, as it shows a certain level of respect. Personally I wouldnt really care. Feel free to tear up any of my maps if you need any prefabs or ideas, its all good. Im usually pretty open about this kind of stuff, and I dont see an issue with ripping apart a map, especially since you werent going to release it, it was just for your own fun and learning, etc.

    Personally I think both parties may have overreacted.

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    although bringing it into the public eye in the manner that you did may have been a bit immature
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    Posted by CIgano

    And this site is Australian.


    LoL like i needed that... geez lost, your good. I got nothing. I may be from Canada, and i may not agree with American foreign policy but, i will respect that little tidbit there. I am taken, naked. beaten.
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    Who the shit bumped this thread.

    I noticed something, you compliment my maps, yet you say they will end up in the "noob trash bin".
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    I complimented 1 map...

    everyone gets lucky...
    im realy not in the mood to flame with you though... i just got over this with everyone else reading this thread...
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    Posted by acet0ne

    this is what i have so far


    Yes, you gave me a lot of credit.

    Great way to be mature there, ace.
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    Ace, he's allowed to change your map. You may not like it, but that's just how it is. He can only redistribute it if he includes you as an author and if you allow him to do it. Other than that, he can pretty much do whatever he wants to do with it. There's nothing that will stop him from doing it unless you were to delete it from every site that hosts the file, and, also, delete it off of his computer. Even then, he could still re-make the map after that.

    Posted by acet0ne

    Creative Commons License

    By-the-way, from my understanding, that Creative Commons license applies only to things that are to be distributed for free and non-commercial use. He wasn't distributing his version of the map, so that license does not apply.

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    Posted by phantom_X

    Ace, he's allowed to change your map. You may not like it, but that's just how it is. He can only redistribute it if he includes you as an author and if you allow him to do it. Other than that, he can pretty much do whatever he wants to do with it. There's nothing that will stop him from doing it unless you were to delete it from every site that hosts the file, and, also, delete it off of his computer. Even then, he could still re-make the map after that.

    Posted by acet0ne

    Creative Commons License

    By-the-way, from my understanding, that Creative Commons license applies only to things that are to be distributed for free and non-commercial use. He wasn't distributing his version of the map, so that license does not apply.


    He sent me a PM with this URL: http://files.gamebanana.com/studio/REMOVEDURL

    He can't release it in his on studio, I released my version under MY studio.

    And learn your fucking copyright laws. Just because it's the internet, doesn't mean copyright doesn't apply.
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    I didn't know the version he made was put on the internet. My bad.
    Still, he's allowed to make changes to it either way. You shouldn't get too mad about it.
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    Posted by phantom_X

    I didn't know the version he made was put on the internet. My bad.
    Still, he's allowed to make changes to it either way. You shouldn't get too mad about it.

    I wouldn't be mad if he kept the version personal, but he released it in his studios project files.

    5. Honesty
    Studios must only make studio release when the release has been developed by the studio. Studios found to be releasing works they are not responsible for will be removed.


    End of discussion.
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    Yeah, if he release it then it's entirely different. :P
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    Posted by phantom_X

    Yeah, if he release it then it's entirely different. :P

    He released it in his own studio. His studio members can access it, and other people could if he released the studio URL.
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    Correction: i submitted a file titled 'ACETONE' yes, under my studio, yes. However it was uploaded after i PM'd him. I told him that i had done some alterations on his map, I was very excited about these alterations and really wished to share them with HIM. Told him the easiest way for him to see the work i had done on his beta release, was for me to post it for him to download, no screen-shots. Simply put i placed this submission on my studio for acetone to access, review and for me to delete. Negating any and all points earned from it. to my displeasure he misunderstood my intentions and this fiasco has erupted from it hence forth.

    I did respect his wishes as soon as i learned of his displeasure, deleted the submission as i had planned to do straight from the start. Also giving him extra credit and compliments on his beta release as it did inspire me to create in his imaginations image. Still this seems to be not enough for him.

    I do not go around stealing works from anyone, Nor do i endorse said behavior. I am a creative person and as a creator i mimic things i see in my creative path. Again i did not intend to offend, nor was this thread meant to defend such a moral dilemma.

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    The problem is never in the offender.
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    I'm aware of that CIgano, but it's based in the us (fpsbanana.com, not .com.au) which means anything on here would run off US copyright law, and therefore anyone in a country which does not fully acknowledge these laws can not have the book thrown at them.

    Doesn't mean it's right, just means nobody can throw copyright law at him, plus, it's a piece of engineered graphics, oh noes, copyright!

    Just hope that he doesn't keep doing it, because really, there's nothing any of us can do, except delete it when it shows up here, or just ignore him, or ban him.
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    Me? i hope your talking in more of a general sense now... because i have cleared my name of any blame or self justification.
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    That is very true...
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    Notes: Sweet thread.
    myg0t owns you
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    Clap Clap. Should have just let it die there Frog.
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