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Ok, I really need to settle this. There is a big difference between these two mods. For people who don't know, ZM = Zombie Mod, which is a basic mod involving zombies, get hit by a zombie, you turn into zombie. ZH = Zombie Horde, cts vs zombies, you get hit by zombie, they will kill you. I have a major annoyance with ZM though. As a clan member of a clan that owns our own ZH server, I have always found this most exciting, in fact, my first experience of CSS was on ZH. Problem is, ZM lacks skill. On most servers, the bullets are infinite (i know it can be turned off) and the zombies are knocked back by about 5 metres, even by a pistol shot. This makes two things impossible:
  1. For zombies to reach cts and hit them
  2. For cts to kill zombies, they keep flying away
It also annoys me with the tactics invoked. On ZM maps and servers, all i ever see is people finding places to camp, then barricading themselves in a small room with physics objects that are impossible to over-come. This spoils it immensely, as it just turns into 'who can camp behind/inside the box for the longest'. ZH now. ZH forces you to hold ground, aim for head, and keep the zombies back as much as possible. The fact that the zombies have to kill the cts, and the zombies START as zombies, allows for more imaginative gameplay and map design. Case in point: a map by a mate. cts start by running from zombies, who start a little further away. They either board a boat and escape, or run along cliff edge, hold ing zombies back till the boat eventually arrives beneath them, where they then jump down. At the end, they must hold the zombies back again, while a helicopter comes along. Board helicopter without dying, land on safe island, rest of map is nuked, and it is incredible... Maps then. ZM maps, most (not all) are of low quality, no lighting, and too many physics objects. They almost never seem to work well as maps. I remember staying on a ZM server for about an hour, and at the end having gone up 2500 ranks...because i copied everyone else, and hid inside pipes, that are impossible for zombies to survive in, because they either die, or are shot out. ZH maps are more vaired and detailed in my opinion. They allow for more original spawns for zombies, to add 'storyline' to maps. E.g. a lot of maps begin with zombies concealed inside something, such as a container, or a box. They begin by breaking out, and hunting down the cts, who are given time to obviously buy weapons, and find their first place to hold the ground from. E.g. my map, zh_28_days_later, zombies run across a small field, cts can snipe them, the cts then run into buidling, buy weapons, and run to corridor, where they ready themselves for the rush. The zombies meanwhile will be breaking through first a few layers of barbed wire, and then the front door defences. Once the zombies reach the cts, all hell breaks loose, with nades flying about, shotguns and mp5s firing, blood spraying everywhere, and bodies flying about. On ZM, the equivalent is an idiot that camps in a pipe with an M249. There are so many other reasons I could post, but I'll let some other people decide, although there seem to be more ZM servers than ZH...

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    I think they both suck because its all about getting to a spot where the zombies cant reach you and kill them all.
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    ZH sounds alot cooler - 28 days later best movie ever
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    Which is the one where ts are zombies and regenerate hp and can only knife?
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  • 11y
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    I like Zm better...sorry lol
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    I like ZM, but havn't tried ZH.
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    Posted by [$carface]

    Which is the one where ts are zombies and regenerate hp and can only knife?


    both lol, but on ZH, the knife kills, and on ZM, your screen goes mooshed and the knife turns cts into zombies
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  • 11y
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    Zh is better, ZM is ok on the right map with the right settings. However, I think the best Zombie Mod ever is the one for The Specialists. (www.specialistsmod.net) It's similar to ZH, except with bots (with surprisingly good AI, better than any on CSS) and a city map complete with a gun shop, police station, 7-11, bank, church, hotel, etc.
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    Zombie Mod, less dumb.
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  • 11y
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    Well I have to admit that I 'am one of those barricading noobs lol. The only reason people do it is because its hard to fend off 30 zombies in a huge area :(
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  • 11y
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    ZH is better, and more fun but lacks teamwork and co-operation.
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    Posted by Killocity

    Posted by [$carface]

    Which is the one where ts are zombies and regenerate hp and can only knife?


    both lol, but on ZH, the knife kills, and on ZM, your screen goes mooshed and the knife turns cts into zombies

    ah! i like zh
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  • 11y
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    Neither.
    I play Gmod 9s zombie mod made by Jetboom.
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    Zm is better

    Barricades dont really work to well when you have like 20 zombies on you and zombies have it better
    *they run faster
    *like 280 degree vision
    *and they have like 500-5000 hp

    even enough...
    and i agree unlimited ammo servers arnt really good except when your the humans
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  • 11y
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    Psshhh, zombie mod. So what, people are meant to barricade themselves in a small room. If the zombies aren't dumbasses, they'd know that they can stand on top of an object, look down and simply hold the "use" key while looking at the object causing it to flip over. Simple.

    The only problem with this is that some servers are faggots and decide to use infinite ammo and then also disable the "use" key. Pretty gay. That's why you play maps like zm_crazycity and zm_moon_texture_fix1 and other maps that don't have small cluttered areas.

    In ZH, all you need to do is get ANY gun and stand there waiting for them to come close to you, while they do you shoot them several times in the head. And once you kill one, you run back and continue the process. Then it ends up that one ct kills a whole shitload lol. And on top of that, you can get into glitch spots and the zombies don't know what to do as you snipe them with a shotgun :D
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  • 11y
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    Zombie Horde is better, and I don't see why there aren't more servers. Hell, I wanted my clan to purchase a Zombie Horde Deathmatch server or at least make one, because that would probably be the greatest server ever if they would buy it. I hate Zombie Mod because the maps are mostly one-sided, almost ninety percent of wins are from the whole "escape" scenario, which makes absolutely no sense why a bunch of two-thousand H.P. zombies would want to run away from the odds they stand of winning. The Nightvision is annoying as hell, especially when you can't turn it off, and you can't use rifles, which I would do a lot better with (before you all start assuming AWP, I'm talking about the other two good ones, and AWP sucks on ZombieMod maps most of the time because close encounters are the majority of your fights). The Havok physics sucks for the barricading of the maps, and on maps like officerampage where you have to be barricaded at all times or else you die, zombies have a little special "power" where they can move things with their mind. That is completely retarded. Do you see zombies in Resident Evil or other series moving things without any effort whatsoever? No? That's because REAL ZOMBIES DON'T HAVE BRAINS.

    P.S. Both of them are mostly played by idiots who don't know how to play stock maps, or even Counter-Strike for that matter, so I stray away from both of them unless I'm in the mood for blowing off a zombie's head.
    /end.
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  • 11y
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    Posted by Twilight Samus

    Zombie Horde is better, and I don't see why there aren't more servers. Hell, I wanted my clan to purchase a Zombie Horde Deathmatch server or at least make one, because that would probably be the greatest server ever if they would buy it. I hate Zombie Mod because the maps are mostly one-sided, almost ninety percent of wins are from the whole "escape" scenario, which makes absolutely no sense why a bunch of two-thousand H.P. zombies would want to run away from the odds they stand of winning. The Nightvision is annoying as hell, especially when you can't turn it off, and you can't use rifles, which I would do a lot better with (before you all start assuming AWP, I'm talking about the other two good ones, and AWP sucks on ZombieMod maps most of the time because close encounters are the majority of your fights).


    If you bothered playing zombie mod now, you'll end up finding out that you can use ANY gun -.- and how would they disable the on/off button on nightvision? It's highly possible, but I have never seen that on any server -.- and the zm maps are definitely not one-sided as long as you know how to fake out as a zombie or camp on a high hill with a teammate with a shotgun. :D
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  • 11y
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    Posted by enjoi that

    Posted by Twilight Samus

    Zombie Horde is better, and I don't see why there aren't more servers. Hell, I wanted my clan to purchase a Zombie Horde Deathmatch server or at least make one, because that would probably be the greatest server ever if they would buy it. I hate Zombie Mod because the maps are mostly one-sided, almost ninety percent of wins are from the whole "escape" scenario, which makes absolutely no sense why a bunch of two-thousand H.P. zombies would want to run away from the odds they stand of winning. The Nightvision is annoying as hell, especially when you can't turn it off, and you can't use rifles, which I would do a lot better with (before you all start assuming AWP, I'm talking about the other two good ones, and AWP sucks on ZombieMod maps most of the time because close encounters are the majority of your fights).


    If you bothered playing zombie mod now, you'll end up finding out that you can use ANY gun -.- and how would they disable the on/off button on nightvision? It's highly possible, but I have never seen that on any server -.- and the zm maps are definitely not one-sided as long as you know how to fake out as a zombie or camp on a high hill with a teammate with a shotgun. :D


    1) You don't need to fake out as a zombie because you are already powerful enough to basically take them all out. It's that stupid.

    2) Two people. In a hiding spot. With a shotgun. Wow. That would get taken over in seconds. At least THINK out your responses.

    3) If you want to believe it or not, there can be servers that disable the Nightvision key.

    4) If there was a pushback on ladders from gunshots, then I might not say they are one-sided, but maps like officerampage, stock maps, industrial_crane, and others, are definitely one sided. You should only need to play it once or twice to figure that one out.
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  • 11y
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    Posted by enjoi that

    Posted by Twilight Samus

    Zombie Horde is better, and I don't see why there aren't more servers. Hell, I wanted my clan to purchase a Zombie Horde Deathmatch server or at least make one, because that would probably be the greatest server ever if they would buy it. I hate Zombie Mod because the maps are mostly one-sided, almost ninety percent of wins are from the whole "escape" scenario, which makes absolutely no sense why a bunch of two-thousand H.P. zombies would want to run away from the odds they stand of winning. The Nightvision is annoying as hell, especially when you can't turn it off, and you can't use rifles, which I would do a lot better with (before you all start assuming AWP, I'm talking about the other two good ones, and AWP sucks on ZombieMod maps most of the time because close encounters are the majority of your fights).


    If you bothered playing zombie mod now, you'll end up finding out that you can use ANY gun -.- and how would they disable the on/off button on nightvision? It's highly possible, but I have never seen that on any server -.- and the zm maps are definitely not one-sided as long as you know how to fake out as a zombie or camp on a high hill with a teammate with a shotgun. :D


    Alright, you are both wrong. It all depends.

    There is a way to make nightvision able to turn on and off
    Not all servers allow rifles but you can allow them.
    It depends on the map if it is one sided or not.
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    Posted by Twilight Samus

    Zombie Horde is better, and I don't see why there aren't more servers. Hell, I wanted my clan to purchase a Zombie Horde Deathmatch server or at least make one, because that would probably be the greatest server ever if they would buy it. I hate Zombie Mod because the maps are mostly one-sided, almost ninety percent of wins are from the whole "escape" scenario, which makes absolutely no sense why a bunch of two-thousand H.P. zombies would want to run away from the odds they stand of winning. The Nightvision is annoying as hell, especially when you can't turn it off, and you can't use rifles, which I would do a lot better with (before you all start assuming AWP, I'm talking about the other two good ones, and AWP sucks on ZombieMod maps most of the time because close encounters are the majority of your fights).


    If you bothered playing zombie mod now, you'll end up finding out that you can use ANY gun -.- and how would they disable the on/off button on nightvision? It's highly possible, but I have never seen that on any server -.- and the zm maps are definitely not one-sided as long as you know how to fake out as a zombie or camp on a high hill with a teammate with a shotgun. :D


    Alright, you are both wrong. It all depends.

    There is a way to make nightvision able to turn on and off
    Not all servers allow rifles but you can allow them.
    It depends on the map if it is one sided or not.


    1) I didn't say there wasn't. I said some servers can disable the key.

    2) Thank you, but then again, I haven't bothered to play in four months. It was horrible back then, why would it be any better now?

    3) That's why I use the word "most", not all.
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    Zombies.leet.us:27015
    It's the best zombie server I have ever played on. It's a great ZH server that allows all weapons, more ammo then usual, and 20 zombie bots on the hardest setting for AI. It also has lots of great skins to tell the difference between teammate and zombie. If you kill a zombie and you see its ragdoll fly back with a head you know it will respawn. If you see it fly back and its head fall to your feat then you you know you have successfully defeated one of the greatest monsters on earth. I personally hope you don't take this as advertising, I'll remove the IP if you do, because I was hoping to show some more great effects that can be seen on a ZH server. We also run normal maps such as de_dust and de_aztec. Every now and then a good well made custom map works out with the bots AI and they can eventually figure it out.
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    Oh yeah, and ZombieMod tactics are too predictable on certain maps.
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    Well, with the comment of ZH not requiring teamwork, i disagree, on all maps i play on our regular server, we contstantly get people to work together to bring down zombies.

    G_E's Zombie Horde server: 85.14.218.36:27050

    check it out, then you'll see teamwork. Look out for flea, me, shadow, JJ45 or Cook Me Dinnah, we rock with teamwork :D
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    Our leet.us crew is about the same with yours Killocity. I personally want to hear more opinions on this subject.
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    I am using Zm right now, and its very good.
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    I think i'm gonna try playing ZH. Zombie mod is really getting old. I have been playing 3 days, and hold in the top 100 ranks in almost every server. There is really no challenge. I REALLY hate those unlimited ammo servers, because guys basicly just unload shotguns, snipers, and m249's into you. LAME. I'm pretty good at it, and I know the good areas. I HATE it though, when a bunch of idiots follow me, and then one of them turns. It's so damn annoying.

    Even worse, is when you have a "winning spot", as me and this guy usually have when we play together. We have incredible teamwork, and we use it very effectively. Well, after winning a game, after stacking 2 pop machines, then sniping zombies, we go back to the place where we won, only for it to be infested with idiots. Well, at first we were like "ah hell, more firepower" We start building, then my screen tunrs green! One of the idiots there was the zombie. It's so annoying.

    Worse, is the fact that when i jump up, and im about to kill a guy, he shoots me with his pistol, then BOOM, im knocked back 100 feet. And while im ranting about idiots, I hate the barricade destroyers. I make a ellaborate barricade and the door is blocked. I was doing good with my auto sniper, and then all the sudden i heard this burst of fire from behind me. I'm like WTF ARE YOU DOING? and he just sits there destroying my barricade, then he left it destroyed, and a zombie jumped over, got him, then he got me.

    And then there are stupid admins. I was just playing a map with a bathroom stall, and the guy was standing the other side of the door, and the zombies tried to open it, but since he was there, they couldnt. They kicked him because he was cheating..er...staying alive. The zombies could have jumped onto the sink and into the stall, but no, the admin was a idiot.

    Then another guy kicked me bcause I killed him too much, yadada, then on moon texture, apperently sir idiot didnt know about the half life 2 monster robot that has a gravity lift, and i got banned. Well, it appers that zombie mod just gets stupider.

    Oh yea, and i looked for servers with the name of the map begining with zh, but i couldnt find any. And that server won't respond on my Xfire :(. I really wanna try zombie horde.
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    On ZM I always go on ZOMBIE HUNT, pretty much own the zombies.
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    Pfft.

    See, ZM player suck. ZH is great, especially because the cts always look cooler and more skillful, seeing as they need to hold their ground, or face being hacked to bits. All too many times ive seen me and my mate switched to zombies, and the cts then abandon all the tactics we used to hold zombies back.

    Oh, and a little tip for ZH: Jump and spin a lot if you're a zombie. It helps against most people, but if you see me, or any of my clan members...you're dead. period.
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    ZM sucks. ZH ftw.
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    Ha ha, short and simple

    (and correct :D)
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