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What is "Creative" and "Effort"?
- A Forum Thread for Sonic 3 A.I.R.
So something happened YET again in this community. Now, we don't want to become a crap fire, so let's break down what's creative and what's not first.
So skin mods, let's take two examples, both of them redesign Sonic. One changes Sonic's blues to a yellow tone, the other one changes Sonic's design so he's more akin to looking like Sonic Generations style Sonic. Now, the palette one is very simple to create. Just change some colors. Is it fun to play as? No, you're still playing boring old Sonic but he accidentally got dropped in some acid.
So how about Generations Sonic? Well, it changes the design of Sonic, it's more "Effort" to create that than the palette swap, since you need to create all the sprites and possibly even a new palette to go alongside it (while keeping the sprites) . And I see it as more fun than "Sonic but haha he's green now".
Look, it's a little disappointing that your mod got withheld/trashed. But look at it and ask your fricken self "Is it good?", think real hard about it. If the answer is no, than it's better off to leave it alone.
And hey, you can script, rawdata, and do level layout mods instead, they're more fun and mind challenging to create than green sonic. And you'll learn something out of it that could be useful in the future as well! And for those Sonic Boll-ists, there's a reason as to that rule in your domain and it's to not clog up the mod pages with "Green Sonic" or "Sonic but he has the palette of Tails".
Fine I will back down it doesnt share the same beliefs I have but I know I cant change anything.
but uh if anyone wants this to be forgotten about and placed in the past then maybe delete all the posts that started a lot of this. If you do then that probably will let me move on and just repost the new rules post so it doesnt have the comments dragging it down this part is mainly focused on mcginis so maybe also delete this one idk if everyone else agrees on this last part I just think its a way to get rid of the chaos from gamebanna.
I'm honestly glad you made this post, thanks for clearing things up for everyone. Some people just don't know what the difference between low and good effort is sometimes, so they just go attack the rules because of it..
I agree. If it's just a palette swap then that's easy to do. Just pull it up in GraphicsGale and change the colors. If it has more effort, it giving the characters bigger eyes or something like that, then it should stay. I get why some people wouldn't like using Gimp, but GraphicsGale is way faster and easier.
Consider the people who actually want recolours and basic mods. Let me summarize the community here in 4 sentences.
"Hi guys this is a very faithful and cool Master System Palette, hope you-"
"This skin was trashed"
"Hi this is Angel island but orange sky and water"
"Mod accepted keep up the great work bud" Ooo wow there's "Some level design changes" wow i could have never known! What do i do with mine then? Recolour sonic red and green and ALSO change up the base levels a bit? Is THAT how recolours work now? Let's be honest, this modding community is a shitshow and it's all the rules' fault.
whats the problem with recolors? they have a use. edit: the use? THEY ARE JUST INNOCENT RECOLORS BRUH SHUT UP OR I WILL GIVE YOU A THE PUNISHMENT: https://sonic3airmods.blogspot.com/ note: joke im not giving you a punishment
Literally everything that came up here was destroyed ... even one in which I was for a long time "Dissapointed Sonic" was not with the same name but they had done it in Sonic Mania, I based on that and...why one can stay and another not?
I know this already seems like a complaint but I'll put another, "Blue Knuckles" Yes, it was little effort, that if I understood it, but what I did not understand is that literally someone else had already done it and had not taken off...no I'll give names but it was just really disappointing
Who are you to decide what's fun to play and what is not ?
If a skin is "bad" or "has no use" there won't be an audience for it. A lot of people start getting into skinning any game by doing simple stuff. Upload it, get feedback and learn - rinse and repeat.
The only thing that has no use is yet another discussion about recolors. There were many during the decade I have spent on here. Just be glad your favorite game is that popular. Maybe the trashing and removing is keeping the next big skinner from being motivated to contribute.
Remember, we are all in this for fun, the creation process and being supportive :)