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M4 vs kbs 96

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Tell me your opinion about wich gun is better

M4Beryl wz. 1996
Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO 5.56x45mm NATO Mag cap. 30 rounds 30 rounds Length: 757(29.8 in)-838mm(33 in) (stock retracted/extended) 742(29.2 in)-943mm(37.1 in) (stock retracted/extended) Weight 5.9 lb (2.7 kg) empty 6.9 lb (3.1 kg) with 30 rounds 3,52 kg empty 3,89 kg with 30 rounds Barrel length 14.5 in (368 mm) 18 in (457 mm) Action Gas operated, rotating bolt Gas operated, rotating bolt Rate of fire 700–950 round/min cyclic 700 rounds/min Muzzle velocity 2,900 ft/s (884 m/s) 3,018 ft/s (920 m/s) Range Effective Range: 600 m (area target) 500 m (point target) Effective Range: 600 m Fire mode Safe/Semi/Auto Safe/Semi/Burst/Auto Price 2000 pln=900$
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    Wtf.. This is kind of a useless thread ..you can't compare two thing that you never touched.. D: I owuld say m4 :D
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    The one based on the AK will not jam and you can clean it with a wet rag. The M4, will over heat, needs special cleaning kit, needs to remain clean all the time and will clog up with dirt easily in a dusty enviroment. Top one wins. Seriously all you kdis that play CSS and think the M4 owns, try taking one into combat without having lessons on it. A 5 year old somalian can pick up an AK and use it well, but their M4 will be useless when they can't maintain it.
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    Beryl FTW :D
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    Posted by bLackk Wtf.. This is kind of a useless thread ..you can't compare two thing that you never touched.. D:
    Then all babe threads must be useless to you. M4... because it's sexier.
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    The beryl out of the two but in the two are obsolete compared to the more modern rifles like the SCAR L and the XM8 but for me i'd take an ak clone over anything for it's sheer simplicity. saying that, the ak-108 is still my ak variant of choice. that or a abakan.
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    Beryl beats M4 even with iron sights. M4's iron sights sucks.
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    Posted by Xaoc The beryl out of the two but in the two are obsolete compared to the more modern rifles like the SCAR L and the XM8
    AK47 will be around longer than either of those rifles.
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    Posted by Scouts The one absed on the AK will not jam and you can clean it with a wet rag. The M4, will over heat, needs special cleaning kit, needs to remain clean all the time and will clog up with dirt easily in a dusty enviroment. Top one wins. Seriosuly all you kdis that play CSS and think the M4 owns, try taking one into combat without having lessons on it. A 5 year old somalian can pick up an AK and use it well, but their M4 will be useless when they can't maintain it.
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    Thanks for all positive posts somebody can post m4 vid? Edit: thanks scouts got some Beryl vids Beryl design Shooting vid Shooting vid 2 Shooting vid 2(short version) Review of Beryl(article)
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    Say's it all really:
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    That is reason why GROM is buying hk 416 and usa are looking for new rifle like magpul masada or barett carabine
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    Posted by Smiechu Beryl beats M4 even with iron sights. M4's iron sights sucks.
    It depends on your preference, I rather closed iron sights to open ones like the ak has yet the ak sights are tolerable at least, and i've grown used to them since they're similar to my pellet rifles sights. ^^
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    I don't know,i never hold any of them ~(
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    New modern Beryl is at this same level as m4 (or even higher) Semi/Auto/Burst fire mode Bullet enegry: SS109 – 1690 J, M193 – 1570 J BTW Beryl is based on ak74 and now is modernized for me its looks like mix of some ak with m4 RIS
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    So, if the AK47 is considered the best assualt rifle in the world, and they made a better version of it...
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    Posted by Scouts So, if the AK is considered the best assualt rifle in the world, and they made a better version of it...
    there is a problem when you say "AK." AK47? AK74? AK101? AK102? AK103? among the entire series, yeah, id saw so.
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    The blue text is kinda hard on the eyes man. Maybe a color like white? Green maybe?
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    Posted by Scouts So, if the AK is considered the best assualt rifle in the world, and they made a better version of it...
    there is a problem when you say "AK." AK47? AK74? AK101? AK102? AK103? among the entire series, yeah, id saw so.
    You know what I ment you fussy bastard.
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    I say the M4 is better because I don't like Scouts.
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    Posted by Exerticus I say the M4 is better because I don't like Scouts.
    I like girls, food, water and breathing.
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    Id say the AUG just to be difficult
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    Fn Scar-L! >:D
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    I'd take an SMG over an Assault Rifle anyday. But I have to choose the Beryl.
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    The M4 because it isn't named after a woman from teh 50's
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    Almost no recoil I like m4a1 better.
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    Just a modified ak-74 imo.
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    M4 wins IMO
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    Hey we are not talking about ak47 kids! Beryl have same recoil as m4! watch the stats newbs And now Scouts are right! Thanks dud for backup
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    The us military is already adding so much shit to the m4 its crazy. In the long run the m4 is the best.
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    Posted by MITTLE M4 wins IMO
    Tell me why? that rifles got same statics but beryl is cheap 900$ and is faster to reload and easy to use (at video with m4 reloading was 14 second logn in beryl 4 seconds)
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    Posted by MITTLE M4 wins IMO
    Tell me why? that rifles got same statics but beryl is cheap 900$ and is faster to reload and easy to use (at video with m4 reloading was 14 second logn in beryl 4 seconds)
    You need to look at the other versions of the m4. you'd be surprised.
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    Posted by MITTLE M4 wins IMO
    Tell me why? that rifles got same statics but beryl is cheap 900$ and is faster to reload and easy to use (at video with m4 reloading was 14 second logn in beryl 4 seconds)
    You need to look at the other versions of the m4. you'd be surprised.
    Is just that same shooting, that same attachment stats but as i said reload is faster in ak rifles (and upgrated in beryl) and tell me price of single m4 rifle?
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    An April 2002 presentation by the Natick Soldier Center presented by LTC Charlie Dean and SFC Sam Newland reported on lessons learned from M4 use in Afghanistan (such as use during Operation Anaconda): * 34% of soldiers reported that their M4's handguards rattle and become excessively hot when firing. * 15% reported that they had trouble zeroing the M68 reflex sight. * 35% added barber brushes and 24% added dental picks to their cleaning kits. * Soldiers reported the following malfunctions: o 20% reported double-feeding. o 15% reported feeding jams. o 13% reported that feeding problems were due to magazines. * 89% of soldiers reported confidence in the weapon. * 20% were dissatisfied with its ease of maintenance. Soldiers requested the following changes: * 55% requested the firearm be made lighter * 20% requested a larger magazine Keep in mind this was in 02, the m4 has gone through many tests and improvements. Why do you care about the price?
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    The M4 design will always be one of my favorite, but i have to recognise the Beryl 96 is technically better :)
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    Posted by MITTLE M4 wins IMO
    Tell me why? that rifles got same statics but beryl is cheap 900$ and is faster to reload and easy to use (at video with m4 reloading was 14 second logn in beryl 4 seconds)
    o_o, have you even shot a M4? I have in Scottsdale Gunclub(future weapons does a few shows there) and it does not take 14 seconds to reload o_o.
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    Surely the majority of the reloading time is down to the skill of the person reloading the gun and so its hard to define that any gun is particularly faster.
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    Doesn't matter, I agree with moses 14 seconds?you can reload a para irl faster then that
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    Lets think.. i want to make an army.. and i can choose between two rifles.. they are same but one is a lot easy to use and have lower price.. what u will choose? if m4 will can use 45 rounds mags beryl will can use them too. posts like "I say the M4 is better because I don't like Scouts." are F** childish.. when im reading posts like that im feeling like in 2nd grade or saying "m4 is better coz is from usa" is nonsense
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    Posted by MXTRO Lets think.. i want to make an army.. and i can choose between two rifles.. they are same but one is a lot easy to use and have lower price.. what u will choose? if m4 will can use 45 rounds mags beryl will can use them too. posts like "I say the M4 is better because I don't like Scouts." are F** childish.. when im reading posts like that im feeling like in 2nd grade or saying "m4 is better coz is from usa" is nonsense
    The US has been using the the m16 and m4 forever, they've invested money in companies to invent a newer and better rifle. Both of the rifles you're talking about are just refinements of older rifles, and the Beryl is a newer rifle, of course it's going to have a few advantages on the M4, but it's nothing revolutionary or to get fussy over.
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    Posted by MXTRO Lets think.. i want to make an army.. and i can choose between two rifles.. they are same but one is a lot easy to use and have lower price.. what u will choose? if m4 will can use 45 rounds mags beryl will can use them too. posts like "I say the M4 is better because I don't like Scouts." are F** childish.. when im reading posts like that im feeling like in 2nd grade or saying "m4 is better coz is from usa" is nonsense
    If i showed you the list of countries that use the m4 it would beat the number of countries that use beryl
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    Why in usa are more toyota's then fiat's? stats are saying all and everybody should be agree with me that stats are confirmed by Army industries There are more m4 in the world coz USA is a big and have huge army and export of m4 everybody know what is m4 and nobody know what beryl is
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    Doesn't matter which gun you have if you cant use it properly, and since it seems doubtful that the two would go up head to head with people who were experts with them then I couldn't really comment which was better.
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    Posted by MXTRO Why in usa are more toyota's then fiat's? stats are saying all and everybody should be agree with me that stats are confirmed by Army industries There are more m4 in the world coz USA is a big and have huge army and export of m4 everybody know what is m4 and nobody know what beryl is
    Thats what Russia did 60+years ago. They are big, they shipped 50 million aks and no one knew what the fuck was an m16
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    Posted by MITTLE M4 wins IMO
    Tell me why? that rifles got same statics but beryl is cheap 900$ and is faster to reload and easy to use (at video with m4 reloading was 14 second logn in beryl 4 seconds)
    I just generally think the m4 is better.
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    Hey thanks man for changing the blue font to green!
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    I rly love m4 so, i vote M4 ! ;) IHMO beryl is good too ;)
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    I think the Hk g36c is better imo.
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    Tell me why? that rifles got same statics but beryl is cheap 900$ and is faster to reload and easy to use (at video with m4 reloading was 14 second logn in beryl 4 seconds)
    I just generally think the m4 is better.
    i dont know what video you watched but i have an ar-15 and it doesnt take 14 seconds to reload.at my fastest with no catches i can take out a mag put in a new one and fire in 3 seconds if everything goes smoothly. also with the beryl you have to manually pull the bolt to load the first cartridge. this either makes you have to use both of your hands or make you have to cock the gun sideways losing you aiming time.with m4 you can reload while still looking down your sights.
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    Just go to first page and watch video posted by scouts Beryl Wins
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    I just did. and i still stand by my answer. the M4 has the fastest reload time because if you hold the carbine by the magazine than your finger is already on the mag release. you can quickly detach than attach your next magazine than when your hand goes to the same holding position the bolt release is right there. you push it in and fire. I can not comprehend how a beryl can have a faster reload when you have to manually pull back the bolt.
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