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Is this the end of GB?

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Now it all makes sense :[

As an official cs:go skin hater, I felt like I had to create this thread. It seems like GB is now advertising cs:go skins ( what a surprise ) that cost money. Remember when I made a thread about saying how weird it was that a lot of new accounts kept spamming the same content? Guess where these people are coming from ..

 

Before you tell me that it increases traffic and such, maybe you should think again.

Aren't there other ways to increase traffic on GB? Of course. Making content is one of them and there used to be a lot of active members.

The skins thing has been discussed many times and nothing was changed. Not even for a week, to see how things will go. You want to call me a piece of shit and a whiny baby? Go ahead, but how about suggestions that were made from some of the best and most creative modders on GB?

Take a good look at these












Even the fucking rules said it

1.8 Quality Control

No deliberately low quality or low effort submissions. We always want to be a place where beginners can submit their content and learn, however if a submission is considered to have been made deliberately of poor quality on purpose, to troll, point farm etc, it may be removed.


Maybe the website would be more active if you actually listened to the community and did something about the issue with the skins. But I guess money is the easy solution.

For the record, I am not a skinner and it doesn't really hurt me. But this type of stuff made a lot of creative members quit the website.

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    Yeah, I remember the very first day GB announced CS:GO introduced microtransactions. It made many skinners cry, especially prominent members, and for good reason. The game ditched free moddable content for money that is built on simple and blank reskins.

    So yeah, further adding insult to injury, that mysterious OPSKINS banner WITH a link had to appear, even with Adblock on....

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    My god, another banner of  OPSKINS has appeared, and it's even BIGGER!

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    The Opskins banners are paid advertisements and have just funded the next 15 contests on our website. It's just for 30 days.

    I hate that CSGO is not moddable like CSS - if it were, GB might be 10x bigger right now. But such is life. Things change. Unfortunately GB is on the wrong side of history right now and we need to figure out how to remain relevant in the future. In 5 years time gamers probably won't be downloading mods as ZIP and RAR files off websites. But you can be damn sure I'll figure out how to keep the Banana running.

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    Posted by tom

    The Opskins banners are paid advertisements and have just funded the next 15 contests on our website. It's just for 30 days.

    I hate that CSGO is not moddable like CSS - if it were, GB might be 10x bigger right now. But such is life. Things change. Unfortunately GB is on the wrong side of history right now and we need to figure out how to remain relevant in the future. In 5 years time gamers probably won't be downloading mods as ZIP and RAR files off websites. But you can be damn sure I'll figure out how to keep the Banana running.


    From a point of view, I understand why rules didn't become tight regarding content and the whole adaptation thing. It would seem as this website is a place with bunch of naysayers (like myself) and people would stay away from it, which means less visits.

    Maybe it's time for GB to come up with something big then, so it can be independent.
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    Posted by tom

    The Opskins banners are paid advertisements and have just funded the next 15 contests on our website. It's just for 30 days.

    I hate that CSGO is not moddable like CSS - if it were, GB might be 10x bigger right now. But such is life. Things change. Unfortunately GB is on the wrong side of history right now and we need to figure out how to remain relevant in the future. In 5 years time gamers probably won't be downloading mods as ZIP and RAR files off websites. But you can be damn sure I'll figure out how to keep the Banana running.


    Ha! You're not even trying.

    Since when has it been on the wrong side of history? 2014? Forever since you decided to fuck everything up, maybe?

    Regardless of the time where things started going downhill, you sure liked pushing it down yourself. I mean, if I wanted my site to be popular, I wouldn't change its sweet 2012 design to something as boring, uninteresting, unprofessional, and HELLA CONFUSING as this! <3
    This design literally tells newcomers, "Do not bother registering, just stop looking at me and go back to FacePunch or ModDB!" :P

    Truth be told, I'm not usually this unfriendly, but the fact you do the EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE of what you say you'll do, and that it's thanks to that we only have 26 active members out of more than 400000, does give me enough of an excuse to give you a slice of brutal honesty only Clener can make. Trust me, my honesty's a pretty unique one.
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    Posted by tom

    The Opskins banners are paid advertisements and have just funded the next 15 contests on our website. It's just for 30 days.

    I hate that CSGO is not moddable like CSS - if it were, GB might be 10x bigger right now. But such is life. Things change. Unfortunately GB is on the wrong side of history right now and we need to figure out how to remain relevant in the future. In 5 years time gamers probably won't be downloading mods as ZIP and RAR files off websites. But you can be damn sure I'll figure out how to keep the Banana running.

    How much money do I have to throw at you so I don't have to look at paid advertisements?

    Is there any plan currently for keeping GB "relevant"?

    Fuck CS:Go not being modifiable, that's not the reason this site is the way it is. if you want GB to stay relevant I feel we should have an open discussion amongst all of us to get ideas and opinions. Share thoughts in one place and establish that we can at least interact with each other in a mostly civilized manner. Hash out what's possible for the site and what's not, think about why the site is bad and how to fix that.

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    I wouldn't really consider this being 'the end' for GB. While you and several others may not agree with the paid advertisement being present, you have to consider that this site runs based on ad revenue; no ads means no money to keep the site going, which means that the money would either have to be paid out-of-pocket to keep things going or that eventually there'd be no site at all. A lot of people aren't keen on having that happen, so small things like that aren't really something worth getting upset over. Yes, there do need to be some changes around the site, but that will come in due time. Patience is the key, which is something that not a lot of people have these days. I can definitely agree with Clener though, the old layout from 2012 was a nice one; if we could have that re-implemented with some of the newer features from today, that would just be swell.

    Just as well, I can agree with some of the complaints that come up, but most of the ideas you listed in the OP are also not very well thought out. For example, this one is actually rather decent and would actually help to cut down on the majority of low-quality and/or half-cocked submissions (though your post on it just seems like you're trying to kick dirt over a minor - and temporary - advertisement to say it won't happen), whereas these particular kinds of ideas here on the other hand would not only make the site seem welcome to newcomers, but would also more than likely lead to a bunch of arguments from the community.

    If you really want to find ways to help improve the site, you have to think of everything as a whole and find a proper way to address certain issues. While many around here would probably agree that there's definitely enough low-quality submissions to make some people turn up their nose at the sight of them, you also have to remember that most of the users submitting that content are either just starting out or don't know how to improve upon their own skills in order to move away from those kinds of submissions. You can't honestly expect people to improve by basically saying "your work is shit, so it's being trashed" and expect them to still want to come here. That's an unrealistic expectation, and honestly wouldn't help anyone whatsoever in the long run. This site is meant for everyone, not just a select group; looking down on newcomers because of their lack of skill or mass collection of poorly made submissions and shunning them for it doesn't help them to improve, and only ends with people actually wanting to stay away from the site.

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    if you want GB to stay relevant I feel we should have an open discussion amongst all of us to get ideas and opinions. Share thoughts in one place and establish that we can at least interact with each other in a mostly civilized manner. Hash out what's possible for the site and what's not, think about why the site is bad and how to fix that.


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    Posted by deadman22

    if you want GB to stay relevant I feel we should have an open discussion amongst all of us to get ideas and opinions. Share thoughts in one place and establish that we can at least interact with each other in a mostly civilized manner. Hash out what's possible for the site and what's not, think about why the site is bad and how to fix that.


    Cough.



    Can't argue with that since that is what that section is meant for, however, I was hoping for a more direct interaction with the overlord to figure out the current state of the site and what we can do to help him improve it.  Having me make another idea that may or may not be addressed isn't the most enjoyable, informative, or effective thing to do.


    we need to figure out how to remain relevant in the future.

    This makes me want to have a real time and active discussion now instead of letting a handful of scattered ideas rot unresolved for who knows how long. You see what I mean?
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    I'm trying to improve things, but it's not easy or fast. This year I promise I will fix a lot of problems and implement a lot of needed features. The site still runs and satisfies a lot of gamers each day - and it will never be good enough to satisfy some users.47

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    Posted by tom

    I'm trying to improve things, but it's not easy or fast. This year I promise I will fix a lot of problems and implement a lot of needed features. The site still runs and satisfies a lot of gamers each day - and it will never be good enough to satisfy some users.


    Tom, stop pretending to talk like a leader. You aren't fooling one of my kind; this site isn't satisfying anyone, and any glance at any corner of the site would confirm it for you. Seeing you use your seemingly-satisfied-but-nonexistent user base as an excuse to be IGNORANT of the truth, is something I find even more unforgivable than the very fact you still defend this site's current state.

    You've been saying that "you're trying" for two bloody years, yet the site looks as horrible and the general inactivity keeps growing, and we know it's the last thing we want to see growing.

    STOP IGNORING THE TRUTH and acknowledge the fact that this site was going down the right road, then, on that cursed 2014, it went down the worst road possible because YOUR OWN HAND chose to do so.

    This comes from someone who used to almost live here, so while I would really want to adore you for keeping a site like this alive, I can still abhor you all the same for being the same person who also killed it for me. So basically, thanks for everything, save for the useless updates, the other useless updates, not fixing any of the old bugs--instead choosing to hide their existence by distracting people with the useless updates, generally ignoring anyone that is at least honest with their thoughts, ruining the site's cool design with this "modern" garbage, and barely taking such honesty head-on, instead issuing general messages that show no personality whatsoever or any desire to at least make believable lies.

    I can't believe your promise until it becomes true. I might as well end up complaining about how there are no time machines to go back to 2012, when GB at least MADE A LITTLE BIT OF FREAKING SENSE.

    So for that, Tom, thank you. You masterful liar.



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    Posted by Clener74

    Posted by tom

    I'm trying to improve things, but it's not easy or fast. This year I promise I will fix a lot of problems and implement a lot of needed features. The site still runs and satisfies a lot of gamers each day - and it will never be good enough to satisfy some users.


    Tom, stop pretending to talk like a leader. You aren't fooling one of my kind; this site isn't satisfying anyone, and any glance at any corner of the site would confirm it for you. Seeing you use your seemingly-satisfied-but-nonexistent user base as an excuse to be IGNORANT of the truth, is something I find even more unforgivable than the very fact you still defend this site's current state.

    You've been saying that "you're trying" for two bloody years, yet the site looks as horrible and the general inactivity keeps growing, and we know it's the last thing we want to see growing.

    STOP IGNORING THE TRUTH and acknowledge the fact that this site was going down the right road, then, on that cursed 2014, it went down the worst road possible because YOUR OWN HAND chose to do so.

    This comes from someone who used to almost live here, so while I would really want to adore you for keeping a site like this alive, I can still abhor you all the same for being the same person who also killed it for me. So basically, thanks for everything, save for the useless updates, the other useless updates, not fixing any of the old bugs--instead choosing to hide their existence by distracting people with the useless updates, generally ignoring anyone that is at least honest with their thoughts, ruining the site's cool design with this "modern" garbage, barely taking them head-on with general messages that show no personality whatsoever or any desire to at least make believable lies.

    I can't believe your promise until it becomes true. I might as well end up complaining about how there are no time machines to go back to 2012, when GB at least MADE SENSE.

    So for that, Tom, thank you. You masterful liar.



    You might be under-estimating the task at hand here. At the very least running the site isn't easy - it involves a lot of moving parts - servers, programming, design, administration. Moreover, innovating is easier said than done. It is very easy to say we should have done this and we should have done that. In hindsight we can all say what would have worked. This site was built for a purpose that is 15 years old now. Not so easy to modify it to be continually useful and relevant. Bear in mind that I am only human and I have a life outside of the site - I have friends and people I love I want to devote time to. I love this site (I built it!) and I'm devoted to it but is flawed like anything else.

    I am a leader - maybe not the leader you want - but I have kept this site alive longer than most. That isn't what I'm proud of though - I'm proud of the fact that people like you are so passionate about the site and care for it enough to give me hell like this :)

    You're preaching to the choir - I will never be satisfied either and I'm never happy with the condition of the site.
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    You might be under-estimating the task at hand here. At the very least running the site isn't easy - it involves a lot of moving parts - servers, programming, design, administration. Moreover, innovating is easier said than done. It is very easy to say we should have done this and we should have done that. In hindsight we can all say what would have worked. This site was built for a purpose that is 15 years old now. Not so easy to modify it to be continually useful and relevant. Bear in mind that I am only human and I have a life outside of the site - I have friends and people I love I want to devote time to. I love this site (I built it!) and I'm devoted to it but is flawed like anything else.

    I understand that as much as you do, but what you don't get is that the site WAS WORKING FINE.

    You aren't going to attract anyone to the site in this current state, Tom. I can re-assure you of that even if I stop feeling my fingers, because this site is really falling behind even though it's supposed to be "getting back on track" as we speak. Aesthetically, it's not going to please anyone as much as it did back in 2012. You might as well know that a LOT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MEMBERS LEFT, so this site isn't just not attracting anyone, it's also making people leave.

    I just want you to acknowledge that. Yeah, I'm not arguing with you, all I want is for you to acknowledge that. Just that. If you do, then I'll be happy that you at least know your site changed for the worst, and didn't even need to change in the first place. I know you will just want to go down your own path even if it's the wrongest one of all -- but at least, do it while knowing this much. It wasn't flawed, then you "tweaked" it.
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    I wouldn't really consider this being 'the end' for GB. While you and several others may not agree with the paid advertisement being present, you have to consider that this site runs based on ad revenue; no ads means no money to keep the site going, which means that the money would either have to be paid out-of-pocket to keep things going or that eventually there'd be no site at all.

    I know, but there's other stuff to advertise. There are websites that sell models and textures too. Turbosquid is a famous one for example. Cooperating with such websites would also prevent the stealing of models from GB for obvious reasons.

    Advertising csgo skins is like shitting on every member who spent time to contribute to this community (yes it's optional, but we all want a gamebanana with quality content) for a bad marketing model.

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    Why do people get so pissed at the ads? I am not using adblocker and I don't need it. Is the ad shoved in your face like in some other websites? No! It stands there in the corner of the screen and I don't even notice them.

    Now I'm just here for little over a year and don't know how the site looked like before, but it seems ok. Not amazingly perfect and remarkable, but not super-duper bad either.

    About the content, yes, it will be better to take some steps to fight the spamming for points and moderate quality. Maybe something like giving the points for the submission only after it has been checked if it's legit or spam by some supervisor, but it's probably unrealistic.

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    gamebanana is the best site its all my life is about

    p.s. maybe try fucking programming this site like a normal human being for once, feature bloat isnt something everyone likes

    p.s.s. just fuck my shit up


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    While using the site I admit some of the changes I've been a little disappointed in.  The version of GB when I first registered was a bit easier to navigate and felt more on point. 

    Not trying to complain, just stating my opinion.  :mellow:



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    I wouldn't really consider this being 'the end' for GB. While you and several others may not agree with the paid advertisement being present, you have to consider that this site runs based on ad revenue; no ads means no money to keep the site going, which means that the money would either have to be paid out-of-pocket to keep things going or that eventually there'd be no site at all.

    Advertising csgo skins is like shitting on every member who spent time to contribute to this community (yes it's optional, but we all want a gamebanana with quality content) for a bad marketing model.


    How is advertising a site that sells ingame skins shitting on every member? These aren't customizations, these are ingame skins that Valve sells and users sell on the Steam Market. If anything, that site is a major convenience since items bought from the Steam Market are put on a 7 day trade hold.

    As an avid item collector I would be all over this website if I were into playing CS:GO.
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    wow dont mind me really, I just read the thread and all the post and realized i did so from the newest post to the oldest since the newest one is on top and they are descending by the time added. wtf.

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    Advertising csgo skins is like shitting on every member who spent time to contribute to this community.



    I'm a member who's spent time contributing to this community and I don't think it's shitting on me? Maybe try not speaking for every single person on this site?

    Also OPSkins is a result of what Valve did to CSGO, if you are upset about what OPSkins does, you should really be mad at Valve & CSGO. If people want to buy $500 knives, that's fine by me but Valve killing the modding community and placing dumb restrictions on community servers is really what pisses me off.

    Of course ideally we'd rather be advertising a site that tied slightly more into our modding community but no other site has come forward and offered to essentially pay for our next 15 contests, but do let me know if you find any willing...

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    I quited modding hobby not because of I work in industry these days,but because of Valve's CSGO ugly skin politics and banning all custom content use on the servers.

    If Banana gets some piece of cake by advertising csgo stuff - good for it,and I dont have any problem with it. 

    its just the fact that there is not much space for modding left these days.

    p.s. I actually feel sorry for Millenia burying his terrific skinning talents and spending his time on

     This  , this and this. I just hope it pays back well...

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    Advertising csgo skins is like shitting on every member who spent time to contribute to this community.



    I'm a member who's spent time contributing to this community and I don't think it's shitting on me? Maybe try not speaking for every single person on this site?

    Oh sorry, I forgot to clarify that. I meant people who get their content burried by 5 minute spam skins.

    Also OPSkins is a result of what Valve did to CSGO, if you are upset about what OPSkins does, you should really be mad at Valve & CSGO. If people want to buy $500 knives, that's fine by me but Valve killing the modding community and placing dumb restrictions on community servers is really what pisses me off.
    And that's exactly where I wanted to end up with this topic. The question is, do we want the modding community to be the way it was by opposing this, or should we not care? Judging by most people's feedback, it's the first one. But instead of opposing this shit we just wait till the worst part comes. Which means the end of modding.

    Of course ideally we'd rather be advertising a site that tied slightly more into our modding community but no other site has come forward and offered to essentially pay for our next 15 contests, but do let me know if you find any willing...



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    I will.

    O, rly? You'll pay GB ~3,000$?

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    I will.

    O, rly? You'll pay GB ~3,000$?

    His assumption was if I find someone, that's what I mean by " I will ".

    But I would make a donation too if needed.
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    this is why i just play 1.6.

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    this is why i just play 1.6.


    this is why I made mods for 1.6
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    For those who misunderstand my post - This is not about hating on the fact that GB makes money out of ads but the content which gets advertised. Most websites need ads and I already know that. I just thought that it's obvious so I didn't mention it.
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    I quited modding hobby not because of I work in industry these days,but because of Valve's CSGO ugly skin politics and banning all custom content use on the servers.

    If Banana gets some piece of cake by advertising csgo stuff - good for it,and I dont have any problem with it. 

    its just the fact that there is not much space for modding left these days.

    p.s. I actually feel sorry for Millenia burying his terrific skinning talents and spending his time on

     This  , this and this. I just hope it pays back well...


    I agree with you there. I hated how Valve has been killing off free custom content and trying to promote lazy made weapon skins which require payment, the worst being knives as some pay ridiculous amounts of cash just to get ONE knife. Yes, the mapping district is still unaffected but that doesn't excuse what Valve has been doing, especially when charging players money just to change their in-game music.

    Does anyone remember what Valve did with the TF2 workshop? Back then, it was so easy to install whatever weapon you wanted, Then, those features got removed due to "hacking/cheating" concerns and what-ya-know? The TF2 workshop become more like CS:GO's own, just to promote content that is based on voting to make them purchasable in-game.

    And I couldn't believe what Millenia was doing with CS:GO when I first saw it a while back. I thought it was a joke and I should have mentioned it earlier but I was afraid in receiving backlash.

    In any case, with the introduction of the Arms Deal update, I slowly lost my respect and interest in CS:GO, to the point it mostly sat unplayed on my computer and I eventually uninstalled it for good after the R8 Revolver update.
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    CSGO  skins[OPS] is obviously for additional marketing aside from the game alone.  What the modding public has to understand is its the reality otherwise you know.. 

    On ads: Well,its promotion. Ehh this is the interweb:>

    Off topic: 

    I have this game and everytime I install it it keeps updating,updating,updating & for that alone consumes more than half of the client content has to spend on installing alone. Guess what, I never want to install it again.  

    I just want to share this as disappointment airs atm ;<

     

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    I am a leader - maybe not the leader you want - but I have kept this site alive longer than most. That isn't what I'm proud of though - I'm proud of the fact that people like you are so passionate about the site and care for it enough to give me hell like this :)

    You're preaching to the choir - I will never be satisfied either and I'm never happy with the condition of the site.

    That was the best way anybody could have ever approached that, Respect. Toms a good leader, anybody mature enough to approach that the way they did is a good enough leader for me. Rock on Tom.

    Here's a song m8. ( No religious shit intended It's mostly here for the name and bits of its lyrics )


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    I am a leader - maybe not the leader you want - but I have kept this site alive longer than most. That isn't what I'm proud of though - I'm proud of the fact that people like you are so passionate about the site and care for it enough to give me hell like this :)

    You're preaching to the choir - I will never be satisfied either and I'm never happy with the condition of the site.

    That was the best way anybody could have ever approached that, Respect. Toms a good leader, anybody mature enough to approach that the way they did is a good enough leader for me. Rock on Tom.

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    Religion is the only thing that can save humanity... repent or fry in hell...

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    GB gets paid from the advertisers

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    Site seems to be wonky or un-useable?

    Wait for Tom to do his thing

    No need to be so angry m8

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    Well i mean, it's not like they'll go away, and i was pissed too back when i first started playing CS:GO but we unfortunately can't do much about it, so yeah... It is valve's fault and they aren't gonna change it as i think there is simply too much of the usual 12 year olds or alike that enjoy these useless skins and are absurd money-makers for them.

    Otherwise the button just looks out of place here on the top, if you think so you can use adblock to remove it as i did.

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    GB gets paid from the advertisers

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    Site seems to be wonky or un-useable?

    Wait for Tom to do his thing

    No need to be so angry m8

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    Thank you for only reading the title. Your post is irrelevant to this thread.
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    I am not a member who contributed much to the community but I really enjoyed making skins and hanging out on here.

    I had a 2 years break starting at 2012 and it had NOTHING to do with how the site looked or what other members posted on here (read : ugly skins) .

    I cant answer if it was the community itself since I forgot my reasons back then, but somehow threads and discussions got pointless and irrelevant, I remember some new members pissing me off which lead to questioning why I still invest time on here.

    When I came back I entered a contest and got to learn some new members...but well there were not alot. All the new people who are drawn to making skins are caught on the Steam Workshop, we barely have new members who bring in some fresh wind.

    Even now I am slowly abandoning this site again, the forums are pretty much boring for me since I shifted my ambitions towards film and video, the forums dealing with those things are much more vivid and on here it always feels kind of anonymous. It feels like a closed community and once youre out for some time it is hella hard to fit back in , for me at least.

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    Why the fuck is the thread upside down?

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    I found that annoying too, shits happen now

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    I feel the gaming industry in general is heading for another 1980's crash, but thats just me.

    Too many microtransactions not enough original content.

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    I feel the gaming industry in general is heading for another 1980's crash, but thats just me.

    Too many microtransactions not enough original content.


    Mate, its been two months. Why do you even bump this. 
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    I feel the gaming industry in general is heading for another 1980's crash, but thats just me.

    Too many microtransactions not enough original content.


    Mate, its been two months. Why do you even bump this. 

    Because it was still on my front page. Go figure. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother replying to anything because no matter what I say, it falls on deaf ears like yours.
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    I feel the gaming industry in general is heading for another 1980's crash, but thats just me.

    Too many microtransactions not enough original content.


    Mate, its been two months. Why do you even bump this. 

    Because it was still on my front page. Go figure. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother replying to anything because no matter what I say, it falls on deaf ears like yours.

    You're posting on a hole in the wall gaming site, on 2 month old threads, spouting ridiculous shit like "I feel the gaming industry in general is heading for another 1980's crash". Your post isn't falling on deaf ears, no one is listening.

    I think you're just blind.

    and please stop bumping this thread, if you feel the need to reply to my message just post on my profile or something.
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