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Well said will2k. Thank you for voicing so eloquently what I think a lot of us had concerns about.
I've had an account on GameBanana for a long time but really don't know too many people here. I'm happy with how my map turned out but if the contest is won based on who knows who I don't stand a chance if I don't know anybody.
I think this poll should be posted on the front page.. simply because its kind of hard to find (well i never received a notice about it)
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Posted by will2k
[long post]
You're right. I'd like these results to inform the judges. Community popularity is important but shouldn't be the deciding factor.
I've been following this contest since its inception and I've been tracking the progress of several maps, so I feel compelled to voice my opinion here.
First, congrats to Tom for coming up with this contest idea that proved very popular among members (15 entries, 35 entrants and some quality releases in a limited time period) and for including a poll to screen the entries and involve the community in the process.
And this brings me to the first point: While I appreciate the effort put by Tom in such short time to make the poll, I don't think that it's a beneficial concept for the contest. As Paul and Tatu mentioned earlier, the poll can quickly degenerate into a popularity contest where the submitter with most friends/connections will get the bigger number of votes. Of course, I'm not trying to point fingers here and I'm certainly not saying that all members will do it this way; but this poll, as it is now, will be the perfect platform for such popularity votes which can be at the expense of eliminating other entries whose submitters are not "well connected".
In my opinion, the panel of expert judges should be the only authority to perform a preliminary screening and decide the winner at a second stage.
My second point would have to do with multiple entries selection (Tom confirmed the implementation in the next contest).
As Giblets and J4CK8 pointed out, selecting only one entry with such an array of quality submissions can prove tricky. I was following 3-4 entries that I liked (they showed skill and craftsmanship, and not because I'm a friend of the submitters, mind you :) and wanted to vote for them; but the current system allows for 1 vote only which is why I think I will refrain from voting this time.
My third point, which was also mentioned by J4CK8, is about the multitude of games that are present in the contest.
Many members do not own all the games used in the contest, which means that many submissions won't be played by enough people to get a sufficient number of votes to pass the first stage. Some submissions could be real gems that will go unnoticed since many people won't vote for them judging only by the screenshots.
This point further supports my first point that only a panel of experts with access to all games should perform the screening and deliver the final judgment.
Finally, let me conclude by saying I'm not trying to undermine the excellent job that Tom is doing with the poll/contest and I'm definitely not questioning the integrity of the contest's outcome; I trust the judges will do the right things and I wish all contestants the best of luck in this contest and future ones.
That was a lengthy post :P
Will2k
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Posted by LATTEH
Posted by Paulmega
Posted by Poi$on
Posted by Tatu Eugen
To win an contest now on gamebanana, you need more friends and then this guys vote for you. Hell yeah, what a system... i'm sick!
Tom: Please note, the top 5 polls entries will then be judged by map experts to determine the winning ranks. These results will be audited so don't try and do anything naughty!
What he meant to say is that, if you don't have friends to vote for your map, your map isn't very likely to get reviewed at all. For example, my map. (Vault)
I don't have any friends. D:
I don't have many friends on here either, so that's why my map won't get reviewed, probably.
Posted by Paulmega
Posted by Poi$on
Posted by Tatu Eugen
To win an contest now on gamebanana, you need more friends and then this guys vote for you. Hell yeah, what a system... i'm sick!
Tom: Please note, the top 5 polls entries will then be judged by map experts to determine the winning ranks. These results will be audited so don't try and do anything naughty!
What he meant to say is that, if you don't have friends to vote for your map, your map isn't very likely to get reviewed at all. For example, my map. (Vault)
I don't have any friends. D:
Posted by Poi$on
Posted by Tatu Eugen
To win an contest now on gamebanana, you need more friends and then this guys vote for you. Hell yeah, what a system... i'm sick!
Tom: Please note, the top 5 polls entries will then be judged by map experts to determine the winning ranks. These results will be audited so don't try and do anything naughty!
What he meant to say is that, if you don't have friends to vote for your map, your map isn't very likely to get reviewed at all. For example, my map. (Vault)
Posted by Tatu Eugen
To win an contest now on gamebanana, you need more friends and then this guys vote for you. Hell yeah, what a system... i'm sick!
Tom: Please note, the top 5 polls entries will then be judged by map experts to determine the winning ranks. These results will be audited so don't try and do anything naughty!
To win an contest now on gamebanana, you need more friends and then this guys vote for you. Hell yeah, what a system... i'm sick!
Posted by Erilis
The voting systems seems fine to me. Good luck to everybody, it's been fun! :)
The rollover on the left is broken. If I roll over, it just gives the picture's link, instead of a text / picture. As a (partly) colourblind person, I can't seperate those colours for shit.
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